Game Day Open Thread: Day 4
by Bruce Peter on May 10, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
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With both USA/Denmark and Canada/Latvia today, I figured I just start one open thread for the both of them. Online broadcasts of the USA game can be found at Universal Sports, and that game has already started (10:15 AM EST). Can the USA respond to their opening OT loss to Germany? Can Denmark pull off another upset?
The Canada/Latvia game is later, at 2:15 PM EST, and will be broadcast online over at TSN. You can also purchase either game over at the IIHF website, but it's more expensive. However, the IIHF site is the only place you can purchase the other two games going on today, which are Switzerland/Italy right now (10:15 AM EST start) and Germany/Finland at 2:15 PM EST.
UPDATE: Group D stands for Group of Death, or Group Denmark
Denmark pulls of their second straight upset, and the USA falls for the second straight time in OT, 2-1. D Stefan Lassen, a 1 goal scorer in for Leksand in Sweden, scores the winner in OT. Denmark is through to the qualification round with the win, as they now have 5 points. The Americans are facing a must win situation on Wednesday against Finland, as they only have 2 points through 2 games. Finland/Germany at 2:15 PM EST will help clear the air.
UPDATE 2: Canada easily handles Latvia, Finland barely sneaks by Germany
The expected teams won in regulation, but it wasn't easy for Finland, as they only managed a 1-0 win. Canada and Switzerland both advance to the qualification round, although they still have to play each other on Wednesday. Italy and Latvia will play for the final spot in the qualificaiton round in Group B. Finland's regulation win over Germany means any of Finland, Germany, and USA could still get sent to the relegation round. Germany takes on Denmark on Wednesday, while Finland plays USA. It's possible for any of the teams to lose their game on Wednesday and still advance, but a win for any of those teams would automatically put them through.
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First periods are in the books
Both USA/Denmark and Switzerland/Italy are scoreless.
I’ll make sure to get these up quicker. These early games start at 8:15 AM my local time, so I’ll try and preset them the night before.
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1-0 Swiss
Goal by Thibaut Monnet from Mattias Seger.
Still scoreless between USA and Denmark. Shots are 16-12 USA, so the Americans aren’t really outplaying them based on that stat, either.
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1-1 USA/Denmark
Lars Eller on the PP for Denmark, from Frans Nielsen opens the scoring.
Keith Yandle, also on the PP, ties it up for Team USA, from Kyle Okposo and Jack Johnson.
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Daniel Bellisimo of Italy is earning his playing time for sure… he looked very sharp against Canada in the 3rd period, and now has stopped 31 of 32 Swiss shots. Still 1-0 Switzerland in the 2nd.
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After 2 periods
Americans and Danes tied at 1. After falling behind, the USA picked it up a bit and are now outshooting Denmark 25-16 through 2 periods. Denmark has started Patrick Galbraith in goal over Frederik Andersson. Andersson was excellent in Demark’s win over Finland.
The Swiss hold a small 1-0 lead over Italy despite peppering Italian goalie Daniel Bellisimo for 37 shots. Martin Gerber has only faced 13 Italian shots so far. The Swiss aren’t exactly known for their shooting ability.
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2-0 Swiss
Damien Brunner on the PP from Paul Savary. Shots are now 45-13 for the Swiss.
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Denmark really bringing it in the 3rd
Shots are 7-2 Denmark in the 3rd. Still tied.
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Late PP for Denmark
Matt Greene gets called with 4:13 to play.
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Swiss win 3-0
ENG by Martin Pluss. Actually a shorthanded empty netter.
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OT for USA/DEN
Both teams get one point, meaning Denmark will still be ahead of USA no matter who wins this OT.
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Shots in 3rd period of USA/DEN: 10-6 for Denmark. 31-26 overall for USA.
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Daniel Bellisimo made 49 saves on 51 shots for Italy in a losing cause. Shots were 52-15 overall in 3-0 Swiss win.
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Denmark wins 2-1
Unbelievable. 2nd straight OT loss by USA.
Stefan Lassen with the GWG.
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STEFAN LASSEN RECOVERS HIS OWN REBOUND FOR THE OVERTIME WINNER!!!
Denmark wins 2-1!
Denmark beats Finland and the US and remains undefeated so far!
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Lassen had 1 goal all year in the 2nd tier Swedish division. Nothing like seizing the moment, huh?
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by Bruce Peter on May 10, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Through 2 games, the USA has scored 2 goals. Gotta feel for Scott Clemmensen. And the Americans can’t add a player until after Wednesday’s game against Finland… their roster is full, save for 1 goalie spot.
Looks like that game against Finland will be a must win.
Denmark has clinched a spot in the qaulification round.
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If Finland loses to Germany in regulation, the US will get through by simply taking the game to overtime again. That would leave Finland with 2 points at the most and the US with at least 3. Other than that though, yeah I would agree that game looks to be must win for them.
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Same would happen if Finland beats Germany in regulation, Denmark beats Germany in regulation, and Finland beats USA in OT. But since Denmark doesn’t have to win that Germany game, you wonder if they’ll put in a full effort, especially if Germany needs the win.
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Denmark may not specifically need to win the game against Germany, but given that points won against the bottom team will be forfeit going into the next round, we could theoretically be going in with a measly 2 points (if Finland endsup last in the group). So winning the game against Germany and earning those 3 points for the next round is definitely still a priority.
Besides, all the players are so fired up with momentum at the moment (they’ve pretty much all been exclaiming “Bring on Germany”), that I don’t think there’s any doubt they’ll be giving it their all. Win or lose. Anything else would be out of character for this team.
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Ah yes, I forgot that it was specifically the game against the team going to the relegation round that gets knocked out… I thought it was simply the worst result for some reason.
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Don’t forget that results from 2 of the 3 preliminary round games carry forward to the next round. No reason for the Danes to take the foot off the gas now.
Just reading that last sentence made me laugh out loud. Have the Danes ever had a two-game winning streak in the A Pool before? I’m guessing no unless it’s in the earliest days.
Fantastic performance and results for them. Hats off to the Danes and their supporters.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we haven’t.
In fact we’ve only been a part of the A-group for the World Championships since 2003, which was coincidentally the best year we’d had until now. That year we beat the US 5-2 and were the only team to take points off Canada, whom we tied 2-2. Canada would later go on to win the tournament.
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Well I know you were in the A Pool at least once before, although I can understand if it’s not been glorified as your country’s finest hour on ice. All I remembered was the score, so I googled “”http://www.google.ca/search?q=canada+47+denmark+0&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&redir_esc=&ei=ZEjoS-2tEJL-M-rmjYsF" target="new">Canada 47 Denmark 0" and sure enough, that was the outcome when the two squads met in 1949. Denmark’s 2-2 tie against Canada in their very next meeting over half a century later, indicate that it took a while but your hockey program learned its lessons well!
Ironically Canada won just a silver medal in 1949 (losing a 3-2 decision to a great Chechoslovakian team), but won gold after the unexpected tie in 2003.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently Ryan Smyth is a game time decision for Canada. Rolled his ankle in practice.
Is it permissible to dress Eberle as a replacement? I know we can use up to 23 in the prelimiary round, but something tells me that is 20 skaters and 3 goalies, and can’t be 21 and 2. Too bad if so.
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Yep, Canada is only allowed to add 1 goalie in the prelim round (20+3). They can add 2 skaters when they hit the qualification round. If Smyth can’t go, they’ll just have to play with 19 skaters. Which isn’t too bad, that’s still one more than you’re allowed in the NHL.
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“Reporter Chris” (Johnson) tweets that Smytty is out today, and that Eberle is ineligible to replace him due to restrictive rules. Too bad for Canada, and for fans who might have enjoyed the opportunity to see the red maple leaf unveil another emerging star on the senior circuit. Too bad especially for Oiler fans, who get to miss out on Oilers both past and future.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Smyth is a soft player. Dustin Penner would have simply eaten the offending limb and kept going.
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Game starts in 15 minutes
And I’ll be going for lunch right now. So it’s up to the rest of you to get the comments going, be it Canada/Latvia (on TSN in Canada, streaming for free on their website) or Germany/Finland (PPV on IIHF website)!
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It’s Canada-Latvia for me. They’ve got sound from the arena but no announcers. Perfect! Until they decided to do a talkover from the studio. Give me more game sounds please!!!
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
1-0 Canada
Tavares buries one on the PP from a sharp angle off a great feed from Russell, who in turn received a very nice flip pass from Perry just inside the blueline. This was a beautiful goal.
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Hell of a shot for sure. How are ya, Bruce?
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Which Bruce?
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be you I believe…
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OK, there’s two of us around here, including our gentile host, the erstwhile SaskHab. I’m thinking of changing my name to Michael Baldwin.
Other than that, I’m fine. All over the World Championships cuz Canada is my favourite team still playing. We’re covering the (post)games over at the Copper & Blue, given we’re not overwhelmed with Oiler games just now.
Ugly win for your boys last night, but the key word there is “win”. Still alive for now, but you sure in hell need a decent game on your own ice to take it any further.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
And we’ll take a win no matter how it looks. You guys are doing a great job with the postgame stuff at C & B.
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TSN.ca hasn’t even got their stream up yet, the geniuses.
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
F*** what a shot!
Stamkos unloads a one-time bomb from the left circle, another PP goal, another feed from Russell. 2-0 Canada, v. late in the first.
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The last two #1 overalls showed their stuff that period. I’m impressed.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I caught that goal. That’s how Stamkos got 51. Such a sweet one timer on the PP.
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0-0 GER/FIN in 2nd
Finland outshooting Germans badly, but getting no results. Typical Finnish hockey.
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Are you saying that Suomi is getting chances but can’t Finnish?
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. :)
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen the Finns dominate territorily in international hockey only to lose or win by 1 goal in a 2-1 or 3-2 game. It happens at every level, too… juniors, seniors… probably happens in women’s hockey as well.
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Was that a dirty hit by Downie in any way? Buddy fell, wasn’t pushed into the boards, but Downie did kind of smush his head into the boards. Could he have held up?
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Didn’t see that second part. Just looked at the one angle. Looked clean from the one I saw.
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They showed a low angle from that end of the ice. Looked to me Downie was finishing his check, which he has to do, and I don’t think he targeted the head, it was just the way buddy fell. But I’m familiar enough with Downie to not necessarily give him the benefit of the doubt, although I believe I will on this particular hit.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
3-0 Canada
Mark Giordano on the PP. Puck dipped on the goalie.
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And Downie draws another Latvian penalty. Canada’s PP is something to be feared, that’s for sure.
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Took ‘em 1:58 to score last time, so they’re slowing down.
I’ve also enjoyed the delayed penalties, Canada has looked super dangerous on them, scored a goal last game, coulda had a couple tonight.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s better. :)
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
JT from his office
So Stamkos occupies the left faceoff dot, and Tavares just to the right of the goal crease. Put Perry down low on the left side, Russel or Giordano up top on the umbrella… Yikes, this unit can click.
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Burns was playing the low post on that last PP goal, occupied both defenders while Perry slipped it through to Tavares. Interesting move my MacT to put a third blueliner on the PP. For sure he got an eyeful of Burns the last few seasons.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
1-0 Finland
Goal by Jarkko Immonen, assist to Jussi Jokinen.
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5-0
Downie on the delayed penalty. Every goal Canada has scored, they’ve had an extra skater on the ice. Still, 5 on 5, they are drawing all these penalties.
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And we’re just over half way through the game. Poor Latvia.
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I wanna see Ochocinco in the third.
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I’m not. This game counts, and will count in the next round. Johnson is in effect the third goalie, it’s just #1A isn’t here yet.
They were talking earlier about how Mason was the #3 guy for 2 straight years and never got a sniff, so it’s his turn. He alternated last year and then the rotation got skipped as Roli played the semi- and the final. So he’s going to want the crease, and I don’t blame him. But a period of Johnson with the game in the bank is another matter entirely.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a professional goaltender, though. He’s no more likely to have a randomly awful night and allow a six-spot to the Latvians than Mason is, so why not put him in?
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You put him in when you’ve got your own 6-spot on the board. Which, this time, we do. No guarantees going into the game, so you stick with your true #1. MacT handled this perfectly AFAIC.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that in the “Live” box score they’ve already credited Tavares with the game winning goal. I assume that’s a dynamic function of some sort.
Pretty good chance it will be, of course.
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Yeah, I noticed that at the WJC’s, they always list the potential winner as the GWG. Always chuckled when the first goal of the game went up and it was declared ‘Game Winning Goal’.
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Russians add Datsyuk
Holy shit.
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Still 1-0 Finland
But Germany is pushing back. Shots aren’t nearly as lopsided as they were early: 32-19 Finland.
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Ochocinco now in.
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Woot! Captied! Now he can’t play for the United States!
I may have the wrong sport in mind here.
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t for the life of me understand why anybody ever questions why the linesmen are so tough on icing calls. I have never understood the North American norm of “in the neighbourhood”. The red line should be called every bit as tightly as the blue line is for offsides. In international hockey they do both, as it should be.
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Finland holds on
For a glorious 1-0 win. USA currently in last place in Group D. Petri Vehanen with the shutout for Finland (28 saves).
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And I believe I speak for most of us less obsessive fans when I say “who on earth is Petri Vehanen?”
by Benjamin Massey on May 10, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Never seen him play either, but he’s actually 33 years old and has played in Finland, Sweden, and now for those rich oil barons of Ak-Bars Kazan. Real shiny numbers this past year: 15-5-5, 1.73 GAA and .935 SV%.
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6-1 Canada
Is the Final. Day 4’s games are in the books…
Group B:
1. Canada (2-0-0-0) +9
2. Switzerland (2-0-0-0) +5
3. Latvia (0-0-0-2) -7
3. Italy (0-0-0-2) -7
Canada and Switzerland are through to the next round, next game determines first in the Group. Latvia and Italy will play for the final spot on Wednesday.
Group D:
1. Denmark (1-1-0-0)
2. Finland (1-0-0-1)
3. Germany (0-1-0-1)
4. USA (0-0-2-0)
Any of the bottom 3 could still miss the next round. Lots of different scenarios at play.
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Who would have guessed that Denmark would be the only safe team after 2 GP?
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not us, certainly.
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I think it’s awesome. Funny how the best feel-good stories of the tourney are centred on Team USA losses. :)
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by Bruce McCurdy on May 10, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What I am really loving is how this is putting hockey to the attention of the general population. In this country ice hockey is a very minor sport (handball is a more popular team game…) and usually receives very little attention. That has thankfully changed a little bit the last few years and with these wonderful victories, it is bound to gain more momentum. Hockey hasn’t been national news here for a very long time and now it’s suddenly the hot topic of the day. It’s wonderful!
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Tomorrow's Games
I’ll keep doing this, setting up a full day open thread for the full slate of games early on. I know this is how The Daily Forehand does things (SB Nation’s tennis blog).
Early Games (10:15 AM EST):
Russia vs. Kazakhstan
Czech Rep. vs. Norway
Later Games (2:15 PM EST):
Belarus vs. Slovakia
Sweden vs. France
Those late games might be a bit of a dud. All of them have that potential, really. I’ll get some other reading material up as well by then.
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Canada-Latvia game story is up on The Copper & Blue
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theory: USA Hockey is tired of winning so many medals, so they decided to send this crew
also: love the blog Bruce. Nice work.
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